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Sawserok: speak English
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Kris: Let's speak!
Taulu Uzden: Решили попрактиковаться инглишу?)))))))) Sawserok, welcome! Are you Karachay?
AlexandrA: hi there and what bout american?
Abrek: The London is the capitol of the Great Britain
AlexandrA: wow!u r so smart!
Abrek: AlexandrA You thought that you're alone?
адыгеец: Abrek пишет: The London is the capitol of the Great Britain It stands on the banks of the river Themse. It is a big industrial center.... continious, please
AlexandrA: адыгеец its all u know? Abrek not at all
Abrek: адыгеец Thems is the river? Oh my god The London is the city who gave a political protaction for mr. Berezovskiy
Sawserok: Who are you? karachays?
Sawserok: are you Adyga?
Taulu Uzden: Sawserok Yes, but not all. For example адыгеец, Бек087 and Мурат are adygas. So you are an adyga?
AlexandrA: Taulu Uzden and who r u?
Taulu Uzden: AlexandrA You'd better not to know it!)))))))))
AlexandrA: Taulu Uzden why not?
Abrek: Sawserok Karachays are not adyga. Adyga is: circassians and Kabardians. The Karachays and Balkars are turk people and leaves in Nothern Caucasus. In Karachay-Cherkessia republic -are leaves Karachays and Circassians, and in Kabardino-Balkaria republic- are leaves Kabardians and Balkarians. Almost Karachays are the most cool people in the world... Excuse me for my english So where are you from? This links for you http://www.karachays.narod.ru/english/mainang.html http://www.karachays.narod.ru/english/istoriaang.html
Abrek: Аланла чуутлу кереем бу инглизча джазгъан адам. Чууутдан джазады
адыгеец: AlexandrA пишет: its all u know? specialy about London?Abrek пишет: Thems is the river? Are u surprised?Abrek пишет: Adyga is: circassians and Kabardians. Wrong message. Adygas ARE not only Circassians and Kabardians
Taulu Uzden: Abrek Моссад агентыды ол?
AlexandrA: адыгеец пишет: specialy about London? yes
Abrek: адыгеец Wanna drink?
всезнайка: Hello,people!How are you? What is the weather like today? It8s snowly and very cold in Moscow this morning.
миа: не так не пойдет... люди карачаевский учат в поте лица... и то не дается , а они инглиш практикуют!!! тема явно не моя...
AlexandrA: а я инглиш обожаю,и американский тоже,я на гуманитарном училась)))) Abrek alcohol?
всезнайка: AlexandrA миа пишет: а я инглиш обожаю,и американский тоже,я на гуманитарном училась)))) Abrek You are the The cleverest girl on the world!
адыгеец: AlexandrA пишет: yes What exactly do u want to know about the city of fogs and rains? Abrek пишет: Wanna drink? Always
Abrek: AlexandrA пишет: alcohol? no alcohol. Cannabis onley
всезнайка: Abrek Abrek пишет: Cannabis onley What it means ,I don*t know.
Abrek: адыгеец пишет: Always i like your answer. Wehere did you пропадал? Неужели тебе не стыдно to do like this?
AlexandrA: Abrek пишет: Wehere did you пропадал? no russian here адыгеец i wanna know some info about Big Ben всезнайка thanks
Abrek: AlexandrA Why do you need big ban, here's big адыгеец, maby u should know about him sonthing?
AlexandrA: Abrek i dont understand russian humour
Abrek: AlexandrA it's karachaish humor. It's ununderstanable
sergio: а португальский тут не прокатит? Boa tarde pessoal !!! Ten praser falar com Voses!!! Ano Novo ja ista perto ? Vose istao preparados!?
Abrek:
AlexandrA: und deutsch wie gehts?
sergio:
AlexandrA: sergio what?do u know deutsch?
sergio: Der Bobik edet po der shtrasse , ещё der dver svoloch der ne otkrivaetsa, ещё ......ммм.....О! Der Shraibikus!
всезнайка: It*s very interesting!Where did you hear it from?
Ачыкъ кел: I too wish to be noted in this theme
адыгеец: Abrek пишет: like your answer. Wehere did you пропадал? Неужели тебе не стыдно to do like this? I worked on the elections.AlexandrA пишет: wanna know some info about Big Ben It is not big, really
AlexandrA: адыгеец пишет: It is not big, really have u ever seen it?
Ачыкъ кел: sergio Только щас заметила изменения на втоей аватарке)))) Наш человек) сразу видно)
sergio: мне бы костюмчик ещё...
Ачыкъ кел: sergio пишет: мне бы костюмчик ещё... ну да, и шляпу
sergio: крылатая фраза-...жить,как говорится,хорошо! а хорошо жить ещё лучше..... in English ?
всезнайка: sergio What can you say your life about?
Abrek: адыгеец пишет: I worked on the elections ты тоже этими вещами занимался? sergio пишет: крылатая фраза-...жить,как говорится,хорошо! а хорошожить ещё лучше..... in English ? It's good to live. to live good is better. помоему так Кстати фотка
sergio: Принято! Следующая фраза пожалуйста: . ...птичку жалко...
Abrek: Птичку жалко! затрудняюсь перевести. Скорее всего будет так: I'm sorry for the bird. Во всяком случае англичане поймут
sergio: ...нормально! а вот ещё- ...а вон, оно, дерево!...
Abrek: sergio Thaere's the tree!
AlexandrA: вы хоть ошибки поисправляйте,лингвисты понимаешь ли
sergio: AlexandrA пишет: ошибки поисправляйте Памагите плизз, с ашипками, паправьте. Ишо раз плизз!
sergio: Good! Very good! ( Фигассе!!! я уже тоже speak English?!!!) And next please:
AlexandrA: picture is so little последние посты почитайте
Abrek: sergio Девушка, а как Вас зовут? -"Маша" - "А меня Федя" - "Ну и дура"... Так вроде было
sergio: Точно! Lezginka forever!!!
Sawserok: tell you the truth, i don't like karachay-balkars who say they are pure and original caucasians
Sawserok: tell you the truth, i don't like karachay-balkars who say that they are pure and original caucasians, because they are not, they are turkic people. i don't like that Qylych guy from youtube, he is here somewhere where is he?
Sawserok: tell you the truth, i don't like karachay-balkars who say they are pure and original caucasians, because they are not, they are turkic people in origin. and i don't like that Qylych guy from youtube, he is here somewhere where is he?
Бёрюкъан: Sawserok пишет: tell you the truth, i don't like karachay-balkars who say they are pure and original caucasians, because they are not, they are turkic people in origin. and i don't like that Qylych guy from youtube, he is here somewhere where is he? Well also go away then from here, if not love! What you here do make?
sergio: (tell you the truth, i don't like karachay-balkars who say they are pure and original caucasians, because they are not, they are turkic people in origin. ) Похоже сюда проник какой то вирус.... ......мочи его!!!
Al'bina: sergio , да не переживай ты, на подобные черви наш организм не реагирует Sawserok Ищи его в другом месте....
Taulu Uzden: Sawserok ты кто по-нации вообще? Опять штучки Болата? Who are you by ethnicity? Whats your problem, yes karachai-balkars are pure indigenous caucasian mountaineers and at the same we are alans (turkic speaking). "Turkic" doesn't mean the present nation "turks"(ottomans or uzbeks).
Sawserok: "karachai-balkars are pure indigenous caucasian mountaineers and at the same we are alans (turkic speaking)." are you listening to yourself? karachay-balkars are not caucasians, who the hell said you are caucasians, just because you lived there doesn't make you caucasians, i don't say you are ottoman or uzbeck, you are karachay-balkar turks, the name Turk is general name, there are alot of turks, not every one of them are turk from turkey. but you are turks in origin your language is northeastern turk dialect. and write in english, i don't know russian
sergio: Шо!!? Опять выполз!!?
Al'bina: Sawserok You have any authentic sources or your conjectures?????
Камила: Sawserok, where are you live, and where you was born?
Sawserok: Kypchaks are Karachays direct ancestors. Why deny the evident? read your own Karachay historians - H. Laipanov says Kypchaks played the leading role in Karachay - Balkar ethnogenesis. U. Aliev in his "Karachay" book first published in 1927 and then reprinted in 1997 says "The base for the Karachay people was founded by a group of refugees from the Cirmean peninsula, who denied the Tatar Khan's yoke and sought refuge in the Caucasus mountains... The outnumbered Karachays fought with the local Abaza tribes that levied heavy duties, but failed and were forced to lead a nomad life in order to find better shelter for their freedom, and, indeed, after they left "Eltarkach" (this is a place that they think the cradle of Karachay people is at) Karachays appear in the Baksan Gorge... By that time the newly-appeared power of Kabardian feudals starts to enslave the local mountaineer peoples, including Ingushs, Chechens and others. The powerful prince Kazi of Kabarda, grandson of Prince Inal, found out that Karachays settled in the Baksan gorge, demanded that Karachays (as cattle-drivers) pay tribute with cattle... With Karachay forcibly turned from a free people into tributaries of Kabardian feudal lords, the latter started terrible exploitation and in their despotism they went beyond all reasonable borders. Aside from traditional annual tribute of 300 sheep from the entire people, a basket of wheat and a large pitcher of butter from each household, any Kabardian prince passing by at any time could send his people to Karachay and take whatever he wanted as much as he pleased. This is the original Russian text "... Основу карачаевцев заложила группа беглецов с Крымского полуострова, не примирившихся с игом татарских ханов и искавших себе в горах Кавказа убежище для вольного существования... .. Неравная борьба карачаевцев с окружающими их здесь абазинцами, которые обложили их непосильными данями-оброками, скоро принудила их к скитальческой жизни, к поискам другого более надежного убежища для своей вольности и, действительно, после "Эльтаркача" они появляются в ущельи Баксан... К этому времени зародившееся могущество кабардинских феодалов... начинает закабаливать постепенно все горские народы, включая ингушей, чеченцев... и др. Могущественный феодал Кабарды, князь Кази, внук Инала, разузнавший о существовании карачаевцев в ущельи Баксан, предъявил им требование дани скотом (как с скотоводов). ... Превращением карачаевцев из вольного народа, насильственно, в данников кабардинских феодалов, начинается жестокая эксплуатация их последними, которые в своем произволе доходили до того, что не стали уже считаться ни с какими пределами. Кроме взимаемых ими, установленных по обычаю, оброков (ежегодная уплата 300 баранов от всех, сапетка пшеницы и большой кувшин коровьего масла с каждого двора), любой проходимец, из кабардинских князей, в любое время мог послать своих представителей в Карачай и брать столько, сколько ему благорассудилось
Sawserok: You know that Alans came to the Caucasus in the 1st century AD. They were annihilated by Mongols in the 13 century. What it means is that they remained but a handful after that fight, locked in the mountains. I believe by that time as a result of 12 centuries of living among the local Caucasoid peoples they have acquired the Caucasoid looks. They continued to grow after the Mongols, very slowly, mixing with neighbors, mostly Georgians - if you ever come to Ossetia, you can't help noticing their resemblance with Georgians in a lot of ways from religion to culture to traditions. That's how Ossetians kept their original Alan (non-Caucasian) language and became Caucasoid looking. With Karachay Balkars it is a different story. There was a great battle between Tamerlane (Timur) and Toktamysh, the details of which you can discover here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokhtamysh-Timur_war http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Terek_river The battle took place at the Terek River, in the territory of modern Kabardey, on April, 14, 1395. Both of them were Turks, but Tokhtamysh was a western Turk (Kipchak) and Timur came from Central Asia. Timur wiped the Tokhtamysh army off the face of the Earth. The surviving regiments fled into the Caucasus mountains, to the part that now is Balkar. They settled in the local Alan villages, and assimilated them language-wise. Later on, in 1600's some of them left this area and moved to Karachay. I think they heft the place because their Circassian (Kabardey) rulers (pshi) often moved their subjects from one place to another because the pshi fought with each other all the time and the defeated ones had to escape. Kipchak ancestry is everywhere aminig them - their language is identical, they kept A LOT of Kipchak traditions and even Kipchak ornaments on their carpets (kiiz) which they are so proud of. This is why there are Caucasoids (ex-Alans) among the Karachay-Balkars, yet they speak a Turkic (non-Caucasian, Kipchak, really) language and there are so many Mongoloid-looking people among them. P.S. Do you know that in 17-19 centuries they were called Mountainous Tatars by Russians? E. Alexeeva, a Russian scientist that wrote her "Karachays and Balkars - an ancient people of the Caucasus", said exactly this - KB, as a people, came into existance in the 13-14 centuries AD, as a mixture of local peoples, Alans, Bulgars and Kipchaks. The two of the latter are Turkic nomads that came to the Caucasus in 7-8 centuries AD. There's a Karachay scientist V.M. Batchayev, who says exactly the following: "Karachays and Balkars are descendants of Kypchaks and Bulgars". Nomad peoples, from the steppes of Crimea, Volga, Don. Pushed into the mointains by the Mongal advance. Take a look at linguistic dictionaries - Karachay-Balkar language is a part of the Western Kypchak language tree: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kypchak_languages
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